Update on Alledged Obion Puppy Mill
Posted on 2007 under Animal Advocacy, Furbabies in Need of Help, Health, Just Sad :(, Laws & Legislation, News & Updates, Puppy Mills |19 Jul
The story that started on Sunday with the siezure of dogs from a Northwest Tennessee home because of allegations of neglect continues to be investigated.
Almost 140 confiscated puppies and adult dogs, some of them very expensive breeds, sit as evidence at the Dyersburg fairgrounds. Animal cruelty investigators confiscated them a this house in Obion County where a suspected puppy mill was being operated.
Bud Fair, the owner of the alleged puppy mill, would not comment to Action News 5.
Dogs at the mill were allegedly found in cages in the woods behind Fair’s house. The cages had wire bottoms, and many of the breeding dogs spent most of their lives locked up in the cages.
The Obion Gibson County Humane Society is trying to build a criminal case against the Fairs.
“Right now we are waiting on a medical examination from the vet in Dyersburg,” said Obion County Sheriff Jerry Vastbinder.
Dr. Jon Martin said the animals he saw had cuts on their feet from the wire cages, scalding from urine, and socialization problems.
“Once we receive the medical evaluations, depending on what the evaluations are, if there is cruelty and neglect, we’ll sit down with the D.A. and go over the results and see if there are any charges,” Martin said.
Until that happens, the dogs will be kept as evidence. The humane society is hoping to find people to foster the dogs until a decision is made.
If you want to foster a dog, you can go to the Fairgrounds in Dyersburg Wednesday to fill out an application. They will ask you for references, because they want to make sure the dogs go to good homes.
An animal rights group from Utah plans to go to Dyersburg to offer legal expertise in making a case against the Fairs. (WMCTV)
Looks like there’s a fight brewing too!
A fight is brewing over more than one hundred animals rescued during a puppy mill bust.
A restraining order prevented hundreds of hopefuls from taking home one of the puppies, but the Humane Society said they are not giving up the puppies just yet.
Currently, 132 puppies have been seized in the bust in Obion County.
Dozens of people have turned out to clean the kennels, feed, and walk the dogs.
Wednesday afternoon, the dogs’ owner filed a temporary restraining order.
Jim Powell, the attorney in this case, claimed the puppies were taken illegaly, and that paperwork demans the dogs be turned over to the family vet.
The dogs still remain with the Humane Society.
Denise Flowers with the Humane Society refuses to turn the dogs over, claiming they will not receive the attention they deserve.
“As much work as it is, we’ll be taking care of these babies because we know they will be taken care of,” said Flowers.
Powell promises to file charges if the Humane Society continues to hold the puppies.
“When someone’s in violation of a court order, it’s possible to file a petition asking that they be held in contempt of the court order for failing to comply,” said Powell. (WMCTV)
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by Kim, on July 19 2007 @ 5:59 pm
Anybody notice how in most “puppymill busts” they show all the horrible cages the dogs are kept in before being seized, but here they only show them right after the raid? All the footage shown on TV was taken right after the dogs were seized, not recently! Of course they wouldnt want to show them now would they? Those poor dogs look terrible after 3 days in the SPCAs care!
by OStarr, on July 22 2007 @ 10:39 pm
Kim, I absolutley agree with you. If they didn’t want the public to see where the pets came from, what are they hiding? It looks to me that they are housing the pets in wire cages theirselves. Who are these people who are volunteering? Who is to say that they are not hurting the pets worse? Many people do not know what it takes to care for animals or newborn puppies.
I know that if they are wanting what is in the best interest of these pets, they would return them to where they are accustomed to.
by Mary, on July 23 2007 @ 4:12 am
Blame the press for not showing you where the dogs came from and for your information, these dogs were taken to the Dyer County vet a few at a time and checked for disease, neglect and malnutrition. They were fed twice a day and their cages cleaned 3 times a day. They were walked several times a day and loved by people who volunteered their time to provide a loving enviroment for these poor neglected animals. People gave of their time and hearts to love these animals that were nothing but breeding machines for the Fairs. They were in cages with toys, puppy pads, beds and clean food and water. Not sitting in cages with no bottoms, green water, food with maggots, and flies swarming all over them. They were kept in an air conditioned building with someone with them 24/7. They were monitored by a vet daily. I know, I was there every day. I saw the pictures of where they came from. I know what this man and his wife did to the other 107 dogs seized from the house in Newbern where when a dog died he just threw it in a burn barrel and set it afire right behind the other dogs cages. I saw those dogs too. Their little eyes mattered so badly, some could no longer see. Their fur mattered with feces and urine. Maybe you shouldn’t be so quick to criticize if you didn’t come out and help to make life a little better for these dogs before they were sent back to doggy hell. And most of the pictures you saw on TV were all filmed on the first day the dogs got to the fairgrounds. Except the ones at the last where they packed them into a horse trailer for a 45 mile to Dresden in90 degree weather. Packed in the trailer, 3 cages high and 2-3 dogs in carriers sized for 1 dog. Putting puppies in with various dogs of assorted breeds, not with the mothers. You didn’t hear these dogs yelping as they drove away with them. You didn’t watch them hit the dogs if they resisted going to a different cage. But I guess as you say, it was all in the best interest of the dogs. I wonder how you treat your pets???
by OStarr, on July 23 2007 @ 1:36 pm
Mary,
I want you to know that I did see where the Gibson-Obion County Humane Society was keeping the animals. They were in pet carriers and snapped together cages no bigger than an animal carrier. Some where housed 3 to a cage. Some where stacked on top of the others with no bottoms. They were in these cages with urine, feses, spilted water and feed. They were fed serveral different types of feed. If you knew anything about breeding animals, you know that you keep them on the same diet consistently. If their diet and care was correct, why would they be pooping puppy pads. This was found in their feses that day in the humane society cages. If you were keeping the health of the animals in your best interest, why would you house these animals with animals from another location. Everyone who knows about the care of animals knows that you keep new animals seperate for a period of time to insure that there will not be any cross contamination. The building they were kept in was a storage buikding for the fairgrounds. There you would see paint cans, imagine the fumes.
I think that the humane society thought they would make an example out of this family, but to no avail. This situation will be broadcast all over the world because of the societies wanted publicity, and when they are shown to be in the wrong where is the publicity now.
by Mary, on July 23 2007 @ 7:10 pm
Nobody tried to make an example out of anyone, The Fairs are in the wrong, obviously by the warrants that have been issued for their arrest. The Humane society didn’t ask for publicity, thay ask people to foster these dogs until charges could be brought. And if you know so much yourself, why didn’t you speak out at the fair grounds for the welfare of the animals. If you were in and saw this much, why didn’t you DO something. It’s easy to get on here and critisize what was going on but stopping the suffering of the animals was the important thing. Did you donate money to buy more cages??? Did you offer to help with the feeding of the dogs??? Did you mention that you had reservations about their treatment??? Or did you just come out to blame someone for trying to make life better for these dogs. The dogs didn’t beg to be treated like this, all they wanted was a little love and companionship. I’m not on any side because I have no interest with either side, except the dogs. Maybe they are being better treated by Dr. Page and his staff. I don’t see him telling anyone what kind of treatment they are getting, or are they even still with him??
by OStarr, on July 24 2007 @ 10:55 am
The animals are receiving the treatment required. The only problems that Dr. Page could be treating will be for the stress of the move to the fairgrounds and to his office. The warrants didn’t show any issues being raised that would constitute animal cruelty. Animal cruelty is when someone knowingly and intentionally harms an animal. These small issues were neither known or intentional. I think everyone who has owned a pet and has them under vets care knows that worms and other small issues will arise from time to time. The problem comes in when an owner is not treating for the issue or ignores the issue.
by Adrienne, on July 24 2007 @ 3:18 pm
“They were kept in an air conditioned building with someone with them 24/7.”
Wow…that must be some wall paper job. I seem to recall a pretty good view of trees, sun, and dirt and grass from the open end of the pavilion some were being kept in.
by Adrienne, on July 24 2007 @ 3:20 pm
“The Fairs are in the wrong, obviously by the warrants that have been issued for their arrest.”
I could go tomorrow, to your local police department and swear a warrant out on you for beating me up. Doesn’t make it true does it?
by Adrienne, on July 24 2007 @ 3:22 pm
“If you were in and saw this much, why didn’t you DO something. It’s easy to get on here and critisize what was going on but stopping the suffering of the animals was the important thing. Did you donate money to buy more cages???”
Well know you know why the dogs were being housed in raised cages. It makes cleaning easy, disease controllable, and it allows for the proper care of many dogs by a skeleton crew.
“Saving” them to stuff them 3 to a crate is NO EXCUSE. The HS should be ashamed of themselves.
by Adrienne, on July 24 2007 @ 3:25 pm
What I want to know is when this other Vet, the HS vet is going to start turning over his client list to the Police Department so warrants can be sworn out on any one that has come in with a dog with a parasite, needing a teeth cleaning, or better yet, anyone that has opted to refuse *elective* care for their pet….
by Nancy, on July 25 2007 @ 9:35 am
OH PLEASE MARY … IF YOU were one of the ones at the fairgrounds involved in the whole mess of separating underage puppies from their Mommas and allowing such a cruel situation to exist such as was at the fairgrounds then I hope that you go down
with the HS.
Those poor dogs were housed in too small pens, made to sit in their feces and urine since the bottoms were plastic with no drains all in the name of Animal Rescue. The AIR CONDITIONING you talk about was in a store room which was full of vaporous fumes that I’m sure will cause the dogs health issues in the future. Too bad the dogs can’t talk as they would of without doubt said “I WANTA GO HOME!”
by Colt45, on July 25 2007 @ 2:32 pm
“If you were in and saw this much, why didn’t you DO something. It’s easy to get on here and critisize what was going on but stopping the suffering of the animals was the important thing.”
Ah…Mary, we are doing something. We are making sure that dog knappers like you and the rest of your little do gooder pubddies at the HS realize that you can’t steal peoples dogs even in the name of “rescue” and treat them worse than the original owners did. We are making sure you learn a valuable lesson. Maybe when you get out of jail for stealing these peoples dogs you will think twice before you try it again.
by Emily, on July 25 2007 @ 6:59 pm
Mary,
Thank you for standing up for all…..The way I see is..is that we can argue til we are blue in the face about what was really going on at the fairgrounds, but those that want to believe the worst..”fume filled stockroom”, underaged puppies removed from mommas, animals sitting in feces and urine and too small enclosures..will only believe what they want to believe..
We know the truth, We were there, we know what type of living conditions these animals were in. We know that this family had been brought up on these same charges back in 2004.For some reason this fact tends to be overlooked while everyone wants to bash the GCHS.. We also know that the conditions at the fairgrounds was far better than anything these babies had ever known..We know they all got one type of dog food, not several different types.Yes we had several different types on the site, but they were only fed 1.. We know that the ONLY time a cage was without a bottom was while we were out cleaning the bottom of the cage with disinfection cleaner…I could go on and on, but it’s all just beating a dead horse..No one is going to change anyone’s mind.
by Adrienne, on July 25 2007 @ 7:49 pm
“We know that this family had been brought up on these same charges back in 2004.For some reason this fact tends to be overlooked while everyone wants to bash the GCHS..”
Charges that were plead out, for what I bet, were reasons that the people did not want the expense of a huge trial and the prosecutors for the same.
But let us not forget that BOTH the people involved in this case, the HS director and the sheriff, both have a criminal history, in which they WERE prosecuted for and served time.
And since you are so sure history repeats itself. Lets not forget that one of those charges was FRAUD….
by Nancy, on July 25 2007 @ 7:55 pm
Where were you when the Lowerences LAST so-called rescued dogs were abandoned to their foster family and the lady finally had to resort to calling in ANOTHER rescue to take the dogs and clean up Ms. Lowerences mess? Where were you when MS.
Lowerence LOST in court when she tried to get these dogs back when she found out another Rescue had taken them?
Where were you when Ms. Lowerence was shouting threats and accusations at people in HIGH places because she didn’t get her way?
Where were you when we were discussing the criminal history of those associated with the Humane Society?
Where were you when other Rescuers offered to take some of the animals and care for them after Ms. Lowerence seized them but yet were TURNED DOWN?
Where were you when the cages were STACKED in that store room? If I hear one more comment on STACKED pens at the breeders but yet it is okay for a Rescue to stack them I think I’ll scream.
We don’t have to “WANT TO BELIEVE”. While we have NOT been shown pictures of the supposedly substandard care at the BREEDERS house we dang sure have seen it daily on the news at the fairgrounds.
When 10 counts of Abuse is all that is charged out of 147 dogs I think we can safely ASSUME that there were bigger and worst cases that should of been taken on but I guess the donations wouldn’t of come soaring in or the HELPERS for a bunch of mutts with ear mites and red paws!
I have GREAT RESPECT for the RESCUES that are doing things the RIGHT WAY and for the RIGHT REASON. I however have NO RESPECT or USE for a Rescuer who see it as dollar signs. They are Worst, in my opinion, than those who raise dogs strictly for money. The breeders who do it for money still have to do some work to see a profit. The Rescuers are nothing but thieves that others condone due to their own beliefs.
by Nancy, on July 25 2007 @ 7:56 pm
Okay I MISSED something. What kind of criminal history does the Sheriff have?
by Emily, on July 25 2007 @ 8:10 pm
“BOTH the people involved in this case, the HS director and the sheriff, both have a criminal history, in which they WERE prosecuted for and served time.”
Shows how much you really know about the facts of this case..the sheriff has nothing at all to do with the HS director and her husband who by no way shape or form is a Sheriff….
The real issue is that these animals be taken care of regardless of the history with the Director.
by Adrienne, on July 25 2007 @ 8:26 pm
According to one of those articles, I was under the impression she was married to the sheriff…if not…I guess that goes to show how much misinformation can be in those news articles doesn’t ?
It still doesn’t change that she and the man she is married too are felons
http://www.stategazette.com/story/1229991.html
by LOLA, on July 27 2007 @ 12:56 am
Owners charged in alleged puppy mill scandal fail to show in court
July 26, 2007 05:23 PM CDT
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The owners of puppies confiscated from an alleged puppy mill failed to show in court.
According to the Obion County Sheriff’s Office, Bud and Mary Fair, the owners of the dogs, now officially face charges.
The Fairs were supposed to be arraigned today, their attorney, however, claims they waived that right.
On July 15, nearly 140 dogs were confiscated from the Fairs alleged puppy mill.
Bud and Mary Fair now face ten counts of animal cruelty each.
John Polis of Best Friends, an animal society from Utah that has joined forces with the Gibson-Obion County humane society, said that animal cruelty is a serious offense.
“Animal cruelty is against the law,” said Polis. “You can paint whatever picture you want but if the animal is treated cruelly, then the perpetrator needs to be dealt with.”
Bud Fair was charged in 2004 after a raid at his house under similar circumstances. The case was ultimately dismissed, but the court ordered Fair not own the animals for a year.
Polis hopes that something can be worked out quickly, for the sake of the dogs.
“Right now, the puppy mill’s vetarinarian… continues to be the veterinarian for the animals,” said Polis, “and we hope a decision is made that allows a neutral party to get in there.”
Both sides are expected to be in court tomorrow for a hearing deciding who gets temporary custody of the dogs.
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by LOLA, on July 27 2007 @ 6:15 am
Owners charged in alleged puppy mill scandal fail to show in court
July 26, 2007 05:23 PM CDT
The owners of puppies confiscated from an alleged puppy mill failed to show in court.
According to the Obion County Sheriff’s Office, Bud and Mary Fair, the owners of the dogs, now officially face charges.
The Fairs were supposed to be arraigned today, their attorney, however, claims they waived that right.
On July 15, nearly 140 dogs were confiscated from the Fairs alleged puppy mill.
Bud and Mary Fair now face ten counts of animal cruelty each.
John Polis of Best Friends, an animal society from Utah that has joined forces with the Gibson-Obion County humane society, said that animal cruelty is a serious offense.
“Animal cruelty is against the law,” said Polis. “You can paint whatever picture you want but if the animal is treated cruelly, then the perpetrator needs to be dealt with.”
Bud Fair was charged in 2004 after a raid at his house under similar circumstances. The case was ultimately dismissed, but the court ordered Fair not own the animals for a year.
Polis hopes that something can be worked out quickly, for the sake of the dogs.
“Right now, the puppy mill’s vetarinarian… continues to be the veterinarian for the animals,” said Polis, “and we hope a decision is made that allows a neutral party to get in there.”
Both sides are expected to be in court tomorrow for a hearing deciding who gets temporary custody of the dogs.
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by Adrienne, on July 27 2007 @ 9:34 am
Failure to show is a very vague statement. There are a number of reasons some one may not appear. The number one is when they postpone it for conflict reasons.
by OStarr, on July 27 2007 @ 11:22 am
The failure to appear was due to a conflict in schedule. I know as well as all of you that the Fairs have a lawyer. I am sure that he was advised and he made the decision for them not to show. Please do not turn this into a running scared comment.
by LOLA, on July 27 2007 @ 12:47 pm
OStarr on 27 Jul 2007 at 11:22 am #
The failure to appear was due to a conflict in schedule. I know as well as all of you that the Fairs have a lawyer. I am sure that he was advised and he made the decision for them not to show. Please do not turn this into a running scared comment.
No entention of making it such just posting the article and it states clearly that “The Fairs were supposed to be arraigned today, their attorney, however, claims they waived that right.” To be in court yesterday but they are also are supposed to be in court today so we will see. I did not say anything or add anything to the article to make it sound as such. JUST WHAT THE NEWS REPORTED LAST NIGHT!!!!!
And anyone who takes it that way is in the wrong it is just an article like others that have been posted. only today and the future court cases matter inthis case. They are to decide today who if anybody gets the dogs today that is what a custody hearing is.
by Adrienne, on July 27 2007 @ 1:08 pm
“JUST WHAT THE NEWS REPORTED LAST NIGHT”
Well all of us (myself included) should know by now that we CANNOT trust what the media reports. Yellow Journalism is alive and well…
by j rush, on July 29 2007 @ 4:47 pm
You have doubts aobut the Fair’s and their personal vet? Read this link:
http://network.bestfriends.org/truth/news/17248.html
by j rush, on July 31 2007 @ 11:16 am
The sheriff didn’t go by news reports. The charges were brought from what HE SAW. Neglect/Abuse? absolutely for the dollars the Fair’s could make caging, neglecting and over breeding animals.
Link for animal abuse law
http://www.9sites.com/animal%20abuse%20laws.htm
Is caging animals in wire cages 24/7, constantly breeding them until they can be bred no more for profit, not caring for their health or ‘enabling’ others to continue such pathetic behavior covered in this TN law? Absolutely!!
The point is: IT happened. An impartial vet or reputable orgainization should be given custody of the animals, accounting for all. They should be cared for, loved, socialized then in time, put up for adoption in an orgainzed manner.
by Adrienne, on July 31 2007 @ 12:10 pm
“Is caging animals in wire cages 24/7, constantly breeding them until they can be bred no more for profit, not caring for their health or ‘enabling’ others to continue such pathetic behavior covered in this TN law? Absolutely!!”
Once again you are assuming the worst of a situation that no one knows anything about.
by j rush, on July 31 2007 @ 12:19 pm
Adrienne, the way you are campaigning for the Fairs’, I wonder if you are related to them. It must be that or you think there’s nothing wrong with neglecting animals via running puppy mills. The Sheriff knew, the Sheriff saw and the charges were brought against the Fairs’. No one houses that many animals, outdoors, in cages if they are repubatle breeders. If they care about the animals or the breed. This was nothing less than abuse for monatary gain by people who have done it before.
Again, the Sheriff saw…..so you’re among the few that will fight to keep puppy millers in business as the majority of us will fight to stop it and inhumane people like the Fairs’. You can keep posting the same nonesense..but everyone knows it’s just that…. nonsense.
by Adrienne, on July 31 2007 @ 1:13 pm
“Adrienne, the way you are campaigning for the Fairs’, I wonder if you are related to them. It must be that or you think there’s nothing wrong with neglecting animals via running puppy mills. The Sheriff knew, the Sheriff saw and the charges were brought against the Fairs’. No one houses that many animals, outdoors, in cages if they are repubatle breeders. If they care about the animals or the breed. This was nothing less than abuse for monatary gain by people who have done it before. ”
Of course that is what you would think. You (as so many) are missing the big picture in all of this. This is not about the “Fairs” this is not even about the “dogs” at this point is about the constitutional right to 1. own property 2. sell property 3. right to due process 4. right to commerce 5. and least but not last the right to own as much property as you want.
I have done rescue for many years. I am not ignorant at the horrors that human beings are capable to stooping. I do not agree with dogs being raised as a cash crop but I am not naive enough to think, for one moment, if I do not protect the rights of those that want to raise dogs as a cash crop that my right to raise dogs in the home will not be challenged.
I have seen and fought against some of the horrible legislation that these humane society groups put together “to fight puppy mills” I am sorry but it’s a scam. The only goal that many of these places have in mind is to acquire free marketable puppies to adopt out for higher than normal adoption fees as well as the public sympathy dollars that will be generated from “raids”. Yes there are a few legitimate rescues out there, very few, most simply haven’t figured out the “game” on a few are actually honest. Those are the one’s that get my dollars, my donations, my sweat.
The problem with this entire ordeal is that if it is okay to violated the constitutional right to due process, to privacy, to strip some one of the very things that make living in this country worth wild (rights remember those) all for what is nothing more than a “belief” that dogs are more valuable than any other piece of property you own and that they are some how enabled with some level of human rights, will do nothing more but put the entire breeding world, pet world, pet ownership in jeopardy. But then maybe that is your goal, maybe you agree with PETA and the HSUS that all “pets” should become extinct that no one has a right to keep their pet in a fenced yard that they should all run free and let nature take it’s course. Maybe you want to go to jail if you cannot afford an expensive surgery for your dog because humanely euthanizing them would be considered murder.
These ideologies are not “out there” they are happening every day. Maybe YOU want to live in a world where they do not allow pets but I do not.
I am speaking out against this charade of charity because I want YOU to have the right to choose for your pets as I do my own. PERIOD.
How dogs are raised, is no more than a belief. Dogs are animals just as any other type of livestock. If some one wants to raise them on wire I will defend that right. If they want 5000 breeding animals I will defend that right. I do not have to agree with your religion to be willing to protect your right to believe in whatever deity you choose….I only have to hope that when MY rights come under question that you will be there to protect me as well.
by j rush, on July 31 2007 @ 1:28 pm
Again….nonsense. You’re going overboard ‘over the top with your imagination on what MIGHT be’ in your attempt to defend the right to cage animals and make a living off of breeding them instead of getting a real job. The right to raise, keep and be ‘humane’ to animals is all that is necessary.
This case? Is caging animals in wire cages 24/7, constantly breeding them until they can be bred no more for profit, not caring for their health or ‘enabling’ others to continue such pathetic behavior covered in this TN law? Absolutely!!
The point is: IT happened, that many dogs were being used for nothing more than monatary gain. An impartial vet or reputable orgainization should be given custody of the animals, accounting for all. They should be cared for, loved, socialized then in time, put up for adoption in an orgainzed manner.
by Adrienne, on July 31 2007 @ 1:37 pm
“Again….nonsense. You’re going overboard ‘over the top with your imagination on what MIGHT be’ in your attempt to defend the right to cage animals and make a living off of breeding them instead of getting a real job. The right to raise, keep and be ‘humane’ to animals is all that is necessary.”
No, its not about what MIGHT BE. It is about what is. You can pretend all you want you can think it’s not happening, but it’s obvious that you know nothing about the world legislation and constant rights violation that occur time and time again when it is about the domesticated animal.
“This case? Is caging animals in wire cages 24/7, constantly breeding them until they can be bred no more for profit, not caring for their health or ‘enabling’ others to continue such pathetic behavior covered in this TN law? Absolutely!! ”
Again, speaking about something you have no proof of.
“The point is: IT happened, that many dogs were being used for nothing more than monatary gain. An impartial vet or reputable orgainization should be given custody of the animals, accounting for all. They should be cared for, loved, socialized then in time, put up for adoption in an orgainzed manner.”
There are no *partial* or REPUTABLE “organizations” involved with this.
You are already talking as if the case has been tried…you have already made your decision…you are already selling the dogs off and you don’t even have them….you prove my point….
There will always be bad people, dishonest people, evil people….but trashing any one and everyone because you don’t agree with them, because you MIGHT get some of those bad people in your spray of bullets does not justify the innocent people that get maimed in the crossfire.
Stealing dogs to prevent their abuse does not justify the crime of stealing. The theft is just as much of a crime and it should not be over looked and it should not be brushed aside.
Maybe you want to live in a world of Anarchy but I don’t. I believe that when the legal system is not bent and stroked and it is not manipulated and people act fairly it works….the problem is so many of you can’t stand to let fair happen…you have to win, you have to have it your way, no matter who you step on.
by j rush, on July 31 2007 @ 1:51 pm
Ok Adrienne..I understand you want to worry about what might be. You go ahead and do just that. No reputable organization? So you don’t believe in the SPCA or HS ? (I’m not here to back the GCHS) so how about a reputable vet suit you? The Fair’s won’t show in court…wonder why not?
You want to continue to live in an area where puppy millers are excused, not made to stop…ok After all this is the Fair’s 2nd mill (that is known of). You’re entitled to your opinion and I’m entitled to mine which isn’t bashing. You speak of ‘property’….they live, they breathe, they hurt, they need..they are not like a piece of furniture! Sheesh!!! ‘ll fight for the right for any animal to be treated in a humane manner…you keep fighting for the ‘wire’.
I’ll leave you with your thoughts on what might happen instead of dealing with the SHERIFF’s account and WHY the charges were brought against the Fair’s. (animal abuse—10 counts each) and their ‘personal vet’ has custody!
btw….I am from a large county where animal neglect is not tolerated. Many have been discovered and ended immediately..no who did what and could this be ok. It’s not ok! Puppy mills and breeding for the breed is far different. I am not accustomed to reading about animals ‘raised on wire’, that must be puppy mill lingo. Animal lovers, reputable breeders grant their animals the simply pleasure of comfortable foundations…not wire!
by Mary, on July 31 2007 @ 2:17 pm
So, when is the next court date for what is going on?? I haven’t seen anything about it recently.
by Admin, on July 31 2007 @ 2:21 pm
The trial date is set for Thursday, August 2 from the information I have at this point.
by j rush, on July 31 2007 @ 2:28 pm
Mary that’s what concerns me…no reports of the ‘next’ court date ….as if the Fair’s will show up then.
Meanwhile…the animals remain in limbo rather than learning what it is to be truly loved and cared for.
by j rush, on July 31 2007 @ 2:31 pm
thank you admin. At least there is a date…meanwhile…are all of the dogs that were removed accounted for?
by Admin, on July 31 2007 @ 3:18 pm
There’s no way of know the accounting or condition of the removed dogs at this point as they are under Dresden veterinarian Dr. Bob Page’s care. The restraining order the moved them to Dr. Page by court order remains in effect until 12:45 pm on Aug 2.
There was supposed to be a hearing on the request for a temporary injunction by the Humane Society scheduled for 1 p.m. Friday the 27th but I haven’t heard anything regarding it so at this point am guessing the dogs are still under the custody of Dr. Page.
If anyone has any more up to date info, please feel free to fill in. Thanks!
Deanna
by j rush, on July 31 2007 @ 3:24 pm
Okay…thank you for that information.
Concerning…This is the vet who was the Fair’s personal vet during the 2004 charges and the Fair’s personal vet now. The vet that didn’t find the condtions a problem when Dr. Martin and the Sheriff did.
by Admin, on July 31 2007 @ 3:45 pm
Yes, the one and same, and I am also given to understand that he is as well connected in some way with a research or testing lab of some sort.
by Adrienne, on July 31 2007 @ 4:44 pm
“Ok Adrienne..I understand you want to worry about what might be. You go ahead and do just that. No reputable organization? So you don’t believe in the SPCA or HS ? (I’m not here to back the GCHS) so how about a reputable vet suit you? The Fair’s won’t show in court…wonder why not?”
If you can find an HS with no ties to the HSUS, PETA, Best Friends, or any like organization I am all ears. There are very few out there….you will be very hard pressed to find one.
A reputable vet not associated with the local HS involved in the case or BF, or the HSUS or PETA and with no ties to any animal rights organization…sure.
As for the Fairs not showing in court…I think that that was addressed a while back. I highly doubt that they just “didn’t show up” more than likely something medical or some sort of family emergency got them a leave of absence. That is not something that would be discussed in open court because of HIPPA laws.
by Adrienne, on July 31 2007 @ 4:58 pm
“You want to continue to live in an area where puppy millers are excused, not made to stop…ok After all this is the Fair’s 2nd mill (that is known of). You’re entitled to your opinion and I’m entitled to mine which isn’t bashing. You speak of ‘property’….they live, they breathe, they hurt, they need..they are not like a piece of furniture! Sheesh!!! ‘ll fight for the right for any animal to be treated in a humane manner…you keep fighting for the ‘wire’. ”
Firstly you assume there is a difference between dog breeders. To the AR people there is no difference. One litter or one hundred you are still a “puppy mill”, breeding dogs for profit…etc. You need to quit trying to convince yourself you are any different from any other dog breeder (if you breed dogs) if you don’t then, why are you even arguing?
Yes. Dogs are property. They are owned. They cannot be held responsible for their actions they cannot be held accountable. They have no sense of right or wrong, they have no ability to reason.
I eat meat, I own pets. We only see dogs and cats separate from our meat producing animals because we choose too. They are no different. Maybe you want all the chickens in the world to be free range kept, pigs, and the like, then you must be very wealthy, because when that happens the average person will not be able to afford to feed their families. Farmers will go under because of lack of property, inability to thwart predators, and the over all cost of raising animals, any way but in a commercial manner will make raising them obsolete.
You say that I am over-reacting…among other things…that I am seeing people where there are only shadows. I am not the only one who is realizing the truth. I hope that you read, at least the first article, written by a well respected canine attorney…I hope you read it, slowly…and maybe, just maybe you will be able to understanding a thread of what I am trying to convey to you.
http://www.thedogplace.org/Articles/Politics/06_Cooke_Puppy_Farmer-07.htm
http://www.thedogpress.com/Columns/Strange_USDA_Presicion.0605.htm
by Adrienne, on July 31 2007 @ 5:04 pm
“Concerning…This is the vet who was the Fair’s personal vet during the 2004 charges and the Fair’s personal vet now. The vet that didn’t find the conditions a problem when Dr. Martin and the Sheriff did.”
Again not true. It has been reported and shown on other sites that Dr. Page did not become their veterinarian until some time in 2006.
by j rush, on July 31 2007 @ 5:24 pm
Adrienne look further, the report I read states Bob Page was their vet in 2004. I’ll post if for when I have more time.
Yes, Admin per another poster OStarr, Bob Page owns NEOTEHCH….. http://www.neotechvaccines.com. As much as that bothers me, I have not looked at the site.
by j rush, on July 31 2007 @ 5:26 pm
Google - Bob Page, DVM Dresden TN - and it shows that link but the page is down. Strange. huh?
by j rush, on July 31 2007 @ 6:02 pm
Adrienne - you said it was untrue that Dr. Page was the Fair’s vet in 2004. I advised that a report I read states he was: Here is that article
http://network.bestfriends.org/truth/news/17248.html
It clearly states he was the vet in 2004.
by Mary, on July 31 2007 @ 6:26 pm
I have a question, 3 of the yorkies were with pups, do they now become part of the case or can the vet, or the Fair’s, take those pups and sell them?? If all the dogs (or part of them) are registered won’t the Fair’s have to show if they sell them??
“The failure to appear was due to a conflict in schedule.” was what was reported earlier. I don’t know about all of you but if I have a court appearance, that becomes the priority.
Bud Fair has been doing this for quite a while. I worked with him at a factory in Dyersburg in 1998 and he offered to sell me a peke back then. He told me he bred dogs. Little did I know what was going on. I never bought a dog because he wouldn’t tell me where he lived. Now I know why.
by j rush, on July 31 2007 @ 6:33 pm
Adrienne - you said it was untrue that Dr. Page was the Fair’s vet in 2004. The report I read clearly states he was their vet at the time of the 2004 charges.
Mary with the way this case is going, it would hard for anyone to guess what they will rule. The puppies were part of the animals rescued so I wouldn’t understand how or why they could be considered anything other than part of the rescue. I also agree, a court case for this type of thing would take priority with most. Another article states the Fair’s always brought the animals to you or a meeting place, and yes, now we all know why.
by Adrienne, on August 1 2007 @ 7:13 am
“Adrienne look further, the report I read states Bob Page was their vet in 2004. I’ll post if for when I have more time.”
The report as stated by Best Friends maybe. It doesn’t make it the truth or even accurate.
by Adrienne, on August 1 2007 @ 7:15 am
“Yes, Admin per another poster OStarr, Bob Page owns NEOTEHCH….. http://www.neotechvaccines.com. As much as that bothers me, I have not looked at the site.”
Why does it bother you that a veterinarian developed a better parvo vaccine than the one currently available???
by j rush, on August 1 2007 @ 7:57 am
Adrienne - You corrected Admin and typed “it was reported, Page did not become the Fair’s vet until 2006″.
I typed, you needed to read further. It was reported, he was the vet involved with the Fair’s in 2004 when the first abuse case was discovered. Now, you’re correcting me stating, “that doesn’t make what I read true or accurate&